Phnny I take no offence. I see and appreciate the differences. Outside of employees I have all the same issues. And as the asst manager at the dealership, I had to deal with ALL the same issues. 4 line dealer 8-10 mechanics each. And my pay was DIRECTLY tied to the shops performance. So to the point, I was, as a tech, very concerned with the shops performance. Now I admit most of the others didn't give 2 hoots, it was just a paycheck. BUT I knew then, someday, I would have a facility of my own and anything I could learn up to that point would serve me in my endeavors.