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I must agree that I don't see the point.  When I was at the dealers I saw many master certified apprentices that were great at quoting books but couldn't fix a car.  There's just no substitute for experience and whether those apprentices made it or not had nothing to do with ASE testing in my opinion.  I recertified twice and gave up.  I thought recertification was supposed to be so we could be tested on current knowledge as technology changed, but I saw very little of that.  Instead it just seemed like a cash grab every 5 years to keep ASE in business and it was a huge pain in the butt for what seemed like very generic tests.  I myself have had very little transmission experience as nowadays I send that stuff to the tranny shop, and when I was at the dealers they had dedicated tranny guys, but I had no problem with the tests because they had nothing to do with how transmissions work but a lot to do with how electrical circuits work.  I do feel like I'm being too negative first thing on a Monday morning but I've been contemplating a this question a lot lately and I'm glad it was asked so I could get my rant out of the way.  I also have to admit that it's been some time since I've been to a test and things could have changed.

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Like EkmanAutomotive, I passed my first round of ASE testing in the late 1980's. I passed as a Master Tech and had never worked on a transmission, still haven't. I was and still am good at taking tests. I recertified as a Master Tech twice over the years, with my last certification expiring in 2019. 

I feel that as a certification, it does little to prove competancy of a tech. There was a prerequisite of 2 years experience to be able to sit for the test, which is something, I guess.

From a consumer perspective, very few have any idea what that blue seal is. It looks good hanging on the wall, but you could create your own logo and hang it on the wall and the consumer wouldn't know any diference. It really doesn't mean anything.

I have found many people who think Techs have to have a certification like hairdressers and other professions do. While I don't like Gov't control, I think working on a vehicle, with so many critical systems, and the potential for causing great bodily harm if not maintained correctly should have more oversight than a hairdresser. Look at the difernece in liability ("My hair is ugly, I'm embaressed" vs "My brakes failed and I killed somebody").

ASE has not achieved the goals of promoting Automotive Service Excellence nor in educating the consumer.

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I think you just have to look at the other trades.  The apprenticeship to journeyman path is much more stringent, with class study and on the job training coinciding and taking years.  Compared to a master plumbers exam ASE is a joke and we're plumbers and electricians and HVAC specialists rolled into one.  If we want the legitimacy according to the common man and pay scale of other trades, shouldn't we have similar prerequisites?

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