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carbtech72 · October 6, 2016

What have you found to be the more successfully ways of advertising. I've been using just word of mouth and craigslist and it's been working so far but I really need to increase my car count. Any thoughts?

ATLAuto · October 6, 2016

We have a building on a busy road - 38,000 vehicles daily. We do zero advertising and have more business than we can handle.

You can either pay for expensive real estate or pay for marketing. We chose the former, and it has worked well for us.

Shopcat · October 6, 2016

Advertising is a part of marketing, and needs to be targeted to your best potential customer. That being said, who is your customer? I would say after seeing your website that you are obviously focused on the carburetor market. You should look thru your sales history and determine who your customers are, What vehicle or equipment they own, what forums they might frequent, where do they live? Once you identify your ideal customer, it will be easier to target them.

carolinahigear · October 7, 2016

Just some quick notes without getting into a long dissertation.

1) A huge number of my clients have never heard of carburetors, but I think you can perform your specialty (carburetors and/or carb equipped vehicles), and increase your car count with some very profitable and needed service and repairs on new customer's vehicles.

2) Maybe change the name of your shop to (Pick a name) Automotive and operate Coastal Carburetor as a niche business. That way you keep and enhance your carburetor business while attracting a whole group of new customers that you can turn into clients!!$$$$$

I was in the machine shop and engine building business for over 30 years, made lots of money, but that business model is very outdated now. I changed my direction in the 90's and it has really paid off.

In your area I believe you can increase your car count and get LOTS of gravy and high profit work by servicing the masses of cars within a ten mile radius of your shop.

Money Mailer has been very good for me, and I have a HUGE number of clients that were introduced to my shop by money mailer. I am on a 30,000 traffic count in-town street, and I had to do something to increase my car count. I had several coupons redeemed today, and had some gravy jobs included.

You can reach around 10,000 homeowners with money mailer for around $400.

mspecperformance · October 7, 2016

Life is so much easier if you have a nice beautiful high traffic location! I wish I could do zero advertising!!!

JustTheBest · October 9, 2016

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GENUINE · October 17, 2016

@justthebest

Your thoughts are so generic that they don't really help.

Word of mouth.....what are these "strategies" that you suggest? I like strategies...! What strategy can I try?

Targeted mail....A "campaign" where 76 mailers generated $16k...? Yes! What is it?

"Look at your customer list, the money is in the list"....lol.... could that be any more UN-specific? I look at my list regularly but....must be missing something...

I, like most read this post hoping to garner some insight to improve car count if not blessed with expensive real estate, might mistake your post as a promo for a promotional seminar salesman. Is that the case or can you shine a little more specific light on what you've found that might help your fellow shop owners?

Jeff · October 17, 2016

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GENUINE · October 17, 2016

Thanks Jeff, THAT is a helpful tip! And can easily be implemented by any shop!

And my comment was actually tongue in cheek, I'm not familiar with JustTheBest, and assumed he was just one of us on here looking for help and offering help where we can. I really didn't realize that he actually WAS in that business. That might be why he sounded like a pitch for a business seminar! I meant no offense, I just mistakenly assumed that we were all in the same trench here.

Jeff · October 17, 2016

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JustTheBest · October 17, 2016

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GENUINE · October 17, 2016

Thanks for the reply Justthebest ! And the elaboration. I understand your point/logic and as I said to Jeff, I meant no offense to you or your system, I just didn't put two and two together.

tirengolf · October 18, 2016

Look at the list...you need to glean your top customers and market to them. 20% of your customers provide 80% of your revenue.

Word of mouth..do you ask for referalls and make it easy for your client to refer you? Give 2 free oil change cards to your next "premium" client. Ask them to give one to a person who they would think could use your service. Birds of a feather flock together. If they are a GREAT customer odds are their close friend could be also.

These are some of the things I seen Matthew mention and are included in some of his promo material.

We are all in biz to make money. Just The Best is in the marketing/crm biz.

Jeff is spot on, I call them center of influence customers, identify them, then ask them to send you one of their friends. You will increase your count. Be consistant and smile.

HarrytheCarGeek · October 18, 2016

What have you found to be the more successfully ways of advertising. I've been using just word of mouth and craigslist and it's been working so far but I really need to increase my car count. Any thoughts?

If you only knew all the mistakes I have made trying to find this answer you would think I was nuts. Just for example March 1st I spent 20K on a Every Door Direct Mail campaign that not a single call or lead came through.

To be honest, I suspect the post office trashed it and didn't delivered. Not a single test house or business received my piece, I complained with the local post master but all I got was that their record showed it was sent out and delivered.

I am still steaming about that.

Anyhow, I won't go into details but this I can tell you, profile your customer. What does that mean? It means know what his/her average income is, how old and how many miles on average does he/she put on her car per wk,mo,yr. There are other parameters you need to figure out what works best for you.

Here is another thing, study the statistics and know and compare your customer profile to the national average. See, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the department of transportation make their data available for your to know where to find your best customers.

Another thing, you can figure your customer profile down to a T, but if that customer does not have the income or inclination to spend it on car care, he is not your prospect or possible customer.

I have figured this out, it costs me about $280 dollars to acquire a customer in advertising and marketing, and that typical customer has returned on average $3,600 in three years revenue.

Edited October 18, 2016 by HarrytheCarGeek

PAPShop · October 18, 2016

You seem to have a niche service. We are somewhat the same, we are a performance shop in addition to an auto repair shop. The best advertising for the performance side of our business is "be where your target customers are". Interact with them, don't sell but have some business cards in pocket and word of mouth will spread.

HarrytheCarGeek · October 20, 2016

Postal worker is caught on video dumping bin after bin of mail in the woods

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TheTrustedMechanic · October 24, 2016

I have worked Matthew, "Just the Best Marketing" and have implemented a "Lost Customer" letter campaign where I mail a letter offering a free oil change.

My actual numbers from marketing to my "lost Customers" are

$9395 spent in paper, ink, stamps, oil, filter, and other parts

$23042 in gross revenue from work bought by those customers

$12811 in PROFIT

And I only mail 8-20 pieces at a time.

Now these numbers are only for people who brought in my shameless "bribe" letters. I know some customers return for paid work because of the contact but don't bring the letter so they are not in this calculation. I have even had a couple come back and refuse, REFUSE to let me do the oil change for free. But the bottom line is, as Matthew says, they already know you, they already like you and they already trust you. Sometimes they just forget. Auto repair and your business are not at the top of their list. Also that petty concern isn't a pressing one so they put it off. But, if they have some reason to come see you anyway (the free oil change) then they have that little push that may be just what they need to ask for the work to be done. Auto repair is inconvenient so if they can put it off, your customers often will. But if they are coming to you for an oil change, they've already agreed to be inconvenienced so that belt that's squealing every morning, well, "How about looking at that while I'm here?"

GENUINE · October 24, 2016

@Thetrustedmechanic That is a great assessment of how things SHOULD go. I have also tried the lost customer letter but soon realized that losing many of those customers was actually a positive. There were a few that did simply forget, but most of those whom I hadn't seen for quite some time were those "bottom feeders" who DO shop simply on price alone - even if it they DON'T trust the person, or those who want you to install their parts, etc. Those who weren't ashamed to accept my "bribe" proved that a leopard doesn't change it's spots and wouldn't allow me to so much as replace wiper blades or add an air filter! I wish I could claim the profitable results that you indicated.

Location has so much to do with results, I would go so far to say EVERYTHING, and some of us will forever kick ourselves for not looking much deeper into that fact when an "opportunity" presented itself....I'm certain that a GREAT shop/technician in a bad location will work 10x harder to just survive, than a crappy shop and a hack mechanic will to thrive in a great location!

TheTrustedMechanic · October 24, 2016

@Genuine

I agree with you totally about the bottom feeders. I suffered that initially and had choice words for Matthew about it. But then I realized, I don't have to mail those offers to anyone I don't want to.

Of course I have something of an advantage, I am the owner, the service writer and the technician. So I know who I want to work for and who I don't. But after 6 months sometimes its hard to remember so I will cull my list and then spend 20 minutes culling it further based on service history. Such as if the last appointment was only an oil change or a vehicle inspection/diagnostic testing with no repair, then they are deemed to be not worth the time to try and bring back in. In other words if I checked it out and found stuff wrong but they didn't have it fixed it's simply not worth my time to give away stuff and not get any work except the freebie. So I remove them from the list. That's why I only mail 8-10 pieces each time.

If you have someone do the mailing for you, or you're not the service writer this could be a little harder. My shop management program will export to Excel a report that has several columns but I have started reducing the list (also used as the MailMerge source file) to include the invoice total. If the last invoice total was an easily recognizable amount or zero then I pay close attention to them for removal. But if the last invoice was for say $483.76 then for sure I'm trying to get them back.

Curiously I have one customer that the last three times he's been in was with a Long Lost Customer free oil change letter. But his work order totals were, $1068, $479 and $698. He's a city dweller and only drives about 10,000 miles a year so he was just about to the oil change, but past the 6 month window I use when I sent the letter.

But I know exactly what you're talking about. Been there, done that. And no amount of car count can make up for the losses from bottom feeders who only want the cheap and nothing more if that's what's driving you car count. I also agree with your comment about location, I'm in a bad location and struggle at times. But I've been here 11 years, have a stellar reputation (I'm the ONLY shop two of the three professional parts stores and a major nationwide warranty administrator recommend) and people who want quality find me. With that said, if I was in a better location I could almost certainly afford to hire a couple techs and winter in Florida (snerk).

GENUINE · October 25, 2016

@thetrustedmechanic

Thanks for that. Interestingly, I too am the owner, tech and service writer (although my wife does work the front about 30 hrs a week) so I do, as you said, know who I do and do not want to work for in most cases. We also have a grading system for customers that we note discreetly with their information to help "remind" us how good or bad of a customer they are, even when they call in. An "A" customer gets priority over whatever and an "F" customer gets moved to the end of the line - even if there is no line! This does help me make the most of my time and focus on profitable work that I know I'll get as opposed to telling some guy what's wrong so that his neighbor can fix if "for a lot less". My "B" or "C" customer is likely the one that I would send an offer like that to.

I have tried the lost customer letter in the past, but like some on here have mentioned, I too probably fall short on the hard sell when they do come in.

As far as location, I have great visibility on a busy highway, beautiful, clean shop and lot, but it is on the outskirts of a very "sketchy" part of a very poor community. My challenge since day one has been, my local customer is for the most part that "D" or "F" customer that I referred to...and the "A" customers that I NEED pass by me commuting every day and can't overcome the stigma of my area, turn off of the highway and patronize ME when there are shops closer to their home where they aren't afraid to try. It's been a real challenge.

Some good ideas here as always though that keep me thinking....Thanks all.

TheTrustedMechanic · October 16, 2017

13 minutes ago, Stevens Automotive Service said:

You need to be effective in marketing. Pinpoint your marketing to get the best results.

Know the difference between CTA (Call to Action) and Branding and do both effectively. One is short term and one is long term. Blend the two types and you will become very successful.

Okay, and like so many others with those fancy buzzwords, the one thing that no one seems to be able to do, except maybe Matthew, is tell us "How." You tell us what you think we need to do, but you provide no specifics of how or even better yet, why.

Long on vague concepts, SHORT on specific ideas or even explanations.

mmotley · October 17, 2017

BNI was cheap compared to everything else and has been great. I can pull up my revenue numbers from it, but I know without a doubt it has paid for itself. Downside is you have to attend weekly meetings for about 1.5 hours. So unless you can step away from your shop for that long, don't waste your money.

mmotley · October 19, 2017

For some reason I can't edit my last post, but anyway, I should have mentioned that you will meet some great people through BNI. We have an AMAZING CPA in our group. A great financial guy that is gonna set us up with something similar to a 401k (pretty much IRA accounts or something like that), a lawyer, etc, etc.